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  59 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton schreef op vr 08-05-2020 om 10:08 [+0100]:
  60 > > 0.18um TSMC MPW runs are done at least once a month. You can find the s=
  61 chedule online: https://europractice-ic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Gene=
  62 ral-MPW-EUROPRACTICE-200505-v8.pdf
  63 >=20
  64 > so everyone is aware: these general 180nm MPW runs are not EUR 600 /sq.mm=
  65  (the subsidised cost via Staf).  they're 2-3x that level: aroundEUR 1100 t=
  66 o 1500
  67 >=20
  68 > Yehowshua wrote:
  69 > > And worst case scenario, I can acquire the needed funds for testing the=
  70  chip from alternative funding sources no problem.
  71 >=20
  72 > this is good - it would however not be at the EUR 600 / sq.mm level,it wo=
  73 uld be at double that, and also likely need Staf's paid-forassistance (if y=
  74 ou're up for that, Staf?) to act as a firebreak forthe NDAs.
  75
  76 I don't subsidize the MPW runs I just charge the imec price to NLNet. I don=
  77 't include normal industrial markup on the price for NLNet and just charge =
  78 the (projected) time needed for the tape-out.
  79 The cost is a little over the =E2=82=AC600/mm=C2=B2 without packaging of th=
  80 e chips. For TSMC tape-out there is a minimum area charge of 25mm=C2=B2. Fo=
  81 r packaging you can go for semi-automatic packaging with a high cost per ch=
  82 ip; prices are here. For high volume you have low per unit packaging cost (=
  83 <$0.5/unit) but a start-up cost of over $5000.
  84
  85 greets,
  86 Staf.
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