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1 # Resolving ISA conflicts and providing a pain-free RISC-V Standards Upgrade Path
2
3 In a lengthy thread that ironically was full of conflict indicative
4 of the future direction in which RISC-V will go if left unresolved,
5 multiple Custom Extensions were noted to be permitted free rein to
6 introduce global binary-encoding conflict with no means of resolution
7 described or endorsed by the RISC-V Standard: a practice that has known
8 disastrous and irreversible consequences for any architecture that
9 permits such practices (1).
10
11 Much later on in the discussion it was realised that there is also no way
12 within the current RISC-V Specification to transition to improved versions
13 of the standard, regardless of whether the fixes are absolutely critical
14 show-stoppers or whether they are just keeping the standard up-to-date (2).
15
16 With no transition path there is guaranteed to be tension and conflict
17 within the RISC-V Community over whether revisions should be made:
18 should existing legacy designs be prioritised, mutually-exclusively over
19 future designs (and what happens during the transition period is absolute
20 chaos, with the compiler toolchain, software ecosystem and ultimately
21 the end-users bearing the full brunt of the impact). If several
22 overlapping revisions are required that have not yet transitioned out
23 of use (which could take well over two decades to occur) the situation
24 becomes disastrous for the credibility of the entire RISC-V ecosystem.
25
26 It was also pointed out that Compliance is an extremely important factor
27 to take into consideration, and that Custom Extensions (as being optional)
28 effectively and quite reasonably fall entirely outside of the scope of
29 Compliance Testing. At this point in the discussion however it was not
30 yet noted the stark problem that the *mandatory* RISC-V Specification
31 also faces, by virtue of there being no transitional way to bring in
32 show-stopping critical alterations.
33
34 To put this into perspective, just taking into account hardware costs
35 alone: with production mask charges for 28nm being around USD $1.5m,
36 engineering development costs and licensing of RTLs for peripherals
37 being of a similar magnitude, no manufacturer is going to back away
38 from selling a "flawed" or "legacy" product (whether it complies with
39 the RISC-V Specification or not) without a bitter fight.
40
41 It was also pointed out that there will be significant software tool
42 maintenance costs for manufacturers, meaning that the probability will
43 be extremely high that they will refuse to shoulder such costs, and
44 will publish and continue to publish (and use) hopelessly out-of-date
45 unpatched tools. This practice is well-known to result in security
46 flaws going unpatched, with one of many immediate undesirable consequences
47 being that product in extremely large volume gets discarded into landfill.
48
49 **All and any of the issues that were discussed, and all of those that
50 were not, can be avoided by providing a hardware-level runtime-enabled
51 forwards and backwards compatible transition path between *all* parts
52 (mandatory or not) of current and future revisions of the RISC-V ISA
53 Standard.**
54
55 The rest of the discussion - indicative as it was of the stark mutually
56 exclusive gap being faced by the RISC-V ISA Standard given that it does
57 not cope with the problem - was an effort by two groups in two clear
58 camps: one that wanted things to remain as they are, and another that
59 made efforts to point out that the consequences of not taking action
60 are clearly extreme and irreversible (which, unfortunately, given the
61 severity, some of the first group were unable to believe, despite there
62 being clear historical precedent for the exact same mistake being made in
63 other architectures, and the consequences on the same being absolutely
64 clear).
65
66 However after a significant amount of time, certain clear requirements came
67 out of the discussion:
68
69 * Any proposal must be a minimal change with minimal (or zero) impact
70 * Any proposal should place no restriction on existing or future
71 ISA encoding space
72 * Any proposal should take into account that there are existing implementors
73 of the (yet to be finalised but still "partly frozen") Standard who may
74 resist, for financial investment reasons, efforts to make any change
75 (at all) that could cost them immediate short-term profits.
76
77 Several proposals were put forward (and some are still under discussion)
78
79 * "Do nothing": problem is not severe: no action needed.
80 * "Do nothing": problem is out-of-scope for RISC-V Foundation.
81 * "Do nothing": problem complicates Compliance Testing (and is out of scope)
82 * "MISA": the MISA CSR enables and disables extensions already: use that
83 * "MISA-like": a new CSR which switches in and out new encodings
84 (without destroying state)
85 * "mvendorid/marchid WARL": switching the entire "identity" of a machine
86 * "ioctl-like": a OO proposal based around the linux kernel "ioctl" system.
87
88 Each of these will be discussed below in their own sections.
89
90 # Do nothing (no problem exists)
91
92 TBD (basically not an option).
93
94 There were several solutions offered that fell into this category.
95 A few of them are listed in the introduction; more are listed below,
96 and it was exhaustively (and exhaustingly) established that none of
97 them are workable.
98
99 Initially it was pointed out that Fabless Semiconductor companies could
100 simply license multiple Custom Extensions and a suitable RISC-V core, and
101 modify them accordingly. The Fabless Semi Company would be responsible
102 for paying the NREs on re-developing the test vectors (as the extension
103 licensers would be extremely unlikely to do that without payment), and
104 given that said Companies have an "integration" job to do, it would
105 be reasonable to expect them to have such additional costs as well.
106
107 The costs of this approach were outlined and discussed as being
108 disproportionate and extreme compared to the actual likely cost of
109 licensing the Custom Extensions in the first place. Additionally it
110 was pointed out that not only hardware NREs would be involved but
111 custom software tools (compilers and more) would also be required
112 (and maintained separately, on the basis that upstream would not
113 accept them except under extreme pressure, and then only with
114 prejudice).
115
116 All similar schemes involving customisation of the custom extensions
117 were likewise rejected, but not before the customisation process was
118 mistakenly conflated with tne *normal* integration process of developing
119 a custom processor (Bus Architectures, Cache layouts, peripheral layouts).
120
121 The most compelling hardware-related reason (excluding the severe impact on
122 the software ecosystem) for rejecting the customisation-of-customisation
123 approach was the case where Extensions were using an instruction encoding
124 space (48-bit, 64-bit) *greater* than that which the chosen core could
125 cope with (32-bit, 48-bit).
126
127 Overall, none of the options presented were feasible, and, in addition,
128 with no clear leadership from the RISC-V Foundation on how to avoid
129 global world-wide encoding conflict, even if they were followed through,
130 still would result in the failure of the RISC-V ecosystem due to
131 irreversible global conflicting ISA binary-encoding meanings (POWERPC's
132 Altivec / SPE nightmare).
133
134 This in addition to the case where the RISC-V Foundation wishes to
135 fix a critical show-stopping update to the Standard, post-release,
136 where billions of dollars have been spent on deploying RISC-V in the
137 field.
138
139 # Do nothing (out of scope)
140
141 TBD (basically, may not be RV Foundation's "scope", still results in
142 problem, so not an option)
143
144 This was one of the first arguments presented: The RISC-V Foundation
145 considers Custom Extensions to be "out of scope"; that "it's not their
146 problem, therefore there isn't a problem".
147
148 The logical errors in this argument were quickly enumerated: namely that
149 the RISC-V Foundation is not in control of the uses to which RISC-V is
150 put, such that public global conflicts in binary-encoding are a hundred
151 percent guaranteed to occur, and a hundred percent guaranteed to occur in
152 *commodity* hardware where Debian, Fedora, SUSE and other distros will
153 be hardest hit by the resultant chaos, and that will just be the more
154 "visible" aspect of the underlying problem.
155
156 # Do nothing (Compliance too complex, therefore out of scope)
157
158 TBD (basically, may not be RV Foundation's "scope", still results in
159 problem, so not an option)
160
161 Two interestingly diametrically-opposed equally valid arguments exist here:
162
163 * Whilst Compliance testing of Custom Extensions is definitely legitimately
164 out of scope, Compliance testing of simultaneous legacy (old revisions of
165 ISA Standards) and current (new revisions of ISA Standard) definitely
166 is not. Efforts to reduce *Compliance Testing* complexity is therefore
167 "Compliance Tail Wagging Standard Dog".
168 * Beyond a certain threshold, complexity of Compliance Testing is so
169 burdensome that it risks outright rejection of the entire Standard.
170
171 Meeting these two diametrically-opposed perspectives requires that the
172 solution be very, very simple.
173
174 # MISA
175
176 TBD, basically MISA not suitable
177
178 MISA permits extensions to be disabled by masking out the relevant bit.
179 Hypothetically it could be used to disable one extension, then enable
180 another that happens to use the same binary encoding.
181
182 *However*:
183
184 * MISA Extension disabling is permitted (optionally) to **destroy**
185 the state information. Thus it is totally unsuitable for cases
186 where instructions from different Custom extensions are needed in
187 quick succession.
188 * MISA was only designed to cover Standard Extensions.
189 * There is nothing to prevent multiple Extensions being enabled
190 that wish to simultaneously interpret the same binary encoding.
191
192 Overall, whilst the MISA concept is a step in the right direction it's
193 a hundred percent unsuitable for solving the problem.
194
195 # MISA-like
196
197 TBD, basically same as mvend/march WARL except needs an extra CSR where
198 mv/ma doesn't.
199
200 # mvendorid/marchid WARL
201
202 TBD paraphrase and clarify
203
204 > In an earlier part of the thread someone kindly pointed out that MISA
205 > already switches out entire sets of instructions [which interacts at the
206 > "decode" phase]. However it was noted after a few days of investigating
207 > that particular lead that:
208 >
209 > * MISA Extension disabling is permitted (optionally) to DESTROY the state
210 > information (which means that it *has* to be re-initialised just to be
211 > safe... mistake in the standard, there), and * MISA was only designed
212 > to cover Standard Extensions.
213 >
214 > So the practice of switching extensions in and out - and the resultant
215 > "disablement" and "enablement" at the *instruction decode phase* is
216 > *already* a hard requirement as part of conforming with the present
217 > RISC-V Specification.
218 >
219 > Around the same MISA discussion, someone else also kindly pointed out
220 > that one solution to the heavyweight nature of the switching would
221 > be to deliberately introduce a pipeline stall whilst the switching is
222 > occurring: I can see the sense in that approach, even if I don't know the
223 > full details of what each implementor might choose to do. They may even
224 > choose two, or three, or N pipeline stalls: it really doesn't matter,
225 > as it's an implementors' choice (and problem to solve).
226 >
227 > So yes it's pretty heavy-duty... and also already required.
228 >
229 > For the case where "legacy" variants of the RISC-V Standard are
230 > backwards-forwards-compatibly supported over a 10-20 year period
231 > in Industrial and Military/Goverment-procurement scenarios (so that
232 > the impossible-to-achieve pressure is off to get the spec ABSOLUTELY
233 > correct, RIGHT now), nobody would expect a seriously heavy-duty amount
234 > of instruction-by-instruction switching: it'd be used pretty much once
235 > and only once at boot-up (or once in a Hypervisor Virtual Machine client)
236 > and that's it.
237 >
238 > I can however foresee instances where implementors would actually
239 > genuinely want a bank of operations to be carried out using one extension,
240 > followed immediately by another bank from a (conflicting binary-encoding)
241 > extension, in an inner loop: Software-defined MPEG / MP4 decode to call
242 > DCT block decode Custom Extension followed immediately by Custom Video
243 > Processing Extension followed immediately by Custom DSP Processing
244 > Extension to do YUV-to-RGB conversion for example is something that
245 > is clearly desirable. Solving that one would be entiiirely their
246 > problem... and the RISC-V Specification really really should give them
247 > the space to do that in a clear-cut unambiguous way.
248
249 # ioctl-like
250
251 TBD - [[ioctl]] for full details, summary kept here
252
253 # Discussion and analysis
254
255 TBD
256
257 # Conclusion
258
259 TBD
260
261 # Conversation Exerpts
262
263 The following conversation exerpts are taken from the ISA-dev discussion
264
265 ## (1) Albert Calahan on SPE / Altiven conflict in POWERPC
266
267 > Yes. Well, it should be blocked via legal means. Incompatibility is
268 > a disaster for an architecture.
269 >
270 > The viability of PowerPC was badly damaged when SPE was
271 > introduced. This was a vector instruction set that was incompatible
272 > with the AltiVec instruction set. Software vendors had to choose,
273 > and typically the choice was "neither". Nobody wants to put in the
274 > effort when there is uncertainty and a market fragmented into
275 > small bits.
276 > Note how Intel did not screw up. When SSE was added, MMX remained.
277 > Software vendors could trust that instructions would be supported.
278 > Both MMX and SSE remain today, in all shipping processors. With very
279 > few exceptions, Intel does not ship chips with missing functionality.
280 > There is a unified software ecosystem.
281 >
282 > This goes beyond the instruction set. MMU functionality also matters.
283 > You can add stuff, but then it must be implemented in every future CPU.
284 > You can not take stuff away without harming the architecture.
285
286 ## (2) Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton on Standards backwards-compatibility
287
288 > For the case where "legacy" variants of the RISC-V Standard are
289 > backwards-forwards-compatibly supported over a 10-20 year period in
290 > Industrial and Military/Goverment-procurement scenarios (so that the
291 > impossible-to-achieve pressure is off to get the spec ABSOLUTELY
292 > correct, RIGHT now), nobody would expect a seriously heavy-duty amount
293 > of instruction-by-instruction switching: it'd be used pretty much once
294 > and only once at boot-up (or once in a Hypervisor Virtual Machine
295 > client) and that's it.
296
297 ## (3) Allen Baum on Standards Compliance
298
299 > Putting my compliance chair hat on: One point that was made quite
300 > clear to me is that compliance will only test that an implementation
301 > correctly implements the portions of the spec that are mandatory, and
302 > the portions of the spec that are optional and the implementor claims
303 > it is implementing. It will test nothing in the custom extension space,
304 > and doesn't monitor or care what is in that space.
305